the proper way to install a 8.8!!!

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the proper way to install a 8.8!!!

Postby KLRS10 » Wed May 16, 2007 11:17 pm

well, after hearing mixed opinions on how well people got away with installing their explorer rear ends. I decided to narrow my rear. the bonus is. it can be done without buying aftermarket axels. and by doing it as described in this sticky it also centers the pinion solving driveline misalighnment issues. this sticky is performed the backyard tech way. no special fixtures or antying is required. just a decent welder, a chop saw, or band saw, (band saw preffered) and a little knowledge and time (and about 60 bucks for new spring pads and axel, they might actually trade you axels depending on the wrecker you deal with)

step one, remove the brakes, backing plate, axel etc, from the drivers side of the diff. (it's the longer one obviouisly) this step is self explanitory. if your not capable of this, you should be paying someone to do the job anyway this is how your diff will look when you get this step completed (click to enlarge)

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step two, go to a salvage yard and get a passanger side axel for an explorer 8.8, disk brakes or drum brakes, they are the same. attached is a few pics of the differences of the axels. (click to enlarge)

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the axel you took out, will be exactly 3" longer than the passanger side axel you got from the wrecking yard.

step three cut off the old spring perch, and sway bar mount and grind the housing smooth. on the side your cuting 3" out of, you don't need to cut the sway bar mount since thats where you will be cutting 3" out of the housing
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step four, set a peice of angle iron on the axel tube open side down, it will self center. scribe a line across the housing length for later reference
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step five, measure twice, cut once. honostly measure as many times as you need to untill you feel confident, you only have one shot at this. you will be removing 2-15/16" exactly from the housing, or, if prefered up to an 1/8" over, less than 2-15/16" is trouble, but 1/8" you can get away with. and 1/16" over 3" would be perfect to allow a small gap for welding. this cut needs to be as square as possible, a band saw is preffered, but a chop saw will do the job, if your using a chop saw go slow with the cut or the blade will wander. take your time to set it up correctly and make sure it will cut properly (click to enlarge)

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step six, bevel the edges of the cut for welding purposes, then take 4 pieces of angle iron, clamp them open face to the tube holding the axel tube straight, this is where your scribed line comes into play, line the scribed line up so that your housing end is in the same clocked position as before cutting. now, slide the axel in and spin it to check for any binding of any kind, the axel should slide in with no effort, and should spin freely in the diff (with the brakes removed from the opposite side) if it's all working great, do some 1/2" long welds between the peices of angle iron (leave the axel in place) spin the axel again to make sure it spins free with no binding. (click to enlarge)

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step seven, remove the angle iron and finish welding the tube. while your welding, it's not a bad idea to weld the axel tube to the center section as well. the "spot welds" can break on a hard launch, and things get nasty. during the welding process, stop once in a while and spin the axel to make sure it's not pulling the tube crooked from the heat of welding. (click to enlarge)

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step eight, reassemble your backing plate, reinstall the c-clip and cross pin in the center section, at this point your ready to put the diff into the truck, center it, set your pinion angle, and weld on your new spring pads. when I get to this point, I will add my measurements from the housing ends to the spring pads etc. to make everyone else's job a little bit easier.

*no pic yet*


step nine. swap out your u joint, bolt on the drive shaft, and go do some hard launches and smokey burnouts now that you have a much stronger diff to take some abuse. (be sure to post pictures or we'll be dissapointed)



doing this swap after narrowing the housing 3" the complete assembly is a little less than 2" wider than the stock s-10 diff. (once I have them both out I will measure with a tram bar for an exact measurment) but, if you use a 15x8" wheel with 5.5" backspacing, and 5x4.5" bolt circle. the wheels will fit perfectly with this diff, it may require 1/4" spacers if you are running a 11.5" slick to clear the frame rails on the inside. again, I'll let you know when I get this far.

i decided to open this topic to opinions and questions now that it is completed. feel free to knock my abilities or ideas, if i'm wrong, i am willing to accept it and correct the problem. i can tell you right now, after doing this how damn easy it really is... i spent no more than 3 hours on it. if i had this sticky to go by, i could have it done in a matter of 2 hours. it's very easy to do, but because of the couple extra tools like the welder and the band saw. not everyone will be able to do it, but any machine shop would be able to do this for you in no time
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Postby KLRS10 » Sun May 20, 2007 8:05 pm

sticky is finished!


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Postby mcampau » Sun May 20, 2007 8:40 pm

great job! i cant wait to hear how it works out 8)
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Postby mytymse » Mon May 21, 2007 11:21 am

Backyard engineering at its best. Great job man looks good. I'm glad you put in taking time with the welding. I have seen over zelous folks weld away and then cant figure out why the housing is bowed.
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Postby KLRS10 » Mon May 21, 2007 1:09 pm

i welded 1 inch at a time and alternated from side to side on the tube.

i'm going to install braces on it at some point in time too
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Postby Rickracer » Mon May 21, 2007 3:53 pm

NICE WORK!!!!!!!
I'm almost finished with an Explorer 8.8 into a '98 Jeep Wrangler, maybe post some pics in another thread tomorrow. :wink: 8)
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Postby foxman267 » Mon May 21, 2007 7:31 pm

Awesome job! I might just tackle this job myself. Now to get an 8.8
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Postby Svtzx555 » Mon May 28, 2007 4:16 pm

This is a pretty cool how to. I might have tried it if I had known about it before I did my swap.

For my wheel choice, I wasn't sure what to go with, but I found some Crown Vic 16x8 wheels with 6 inches of backspacing and tried those out. I still have about 3 inches of space from the tire to the leaf springs. I'll get a more accurate measurement later, but just thought I would share.

To me, it seems easier to just get 6 inch BS wheels and you can still fit at least an 8 inch wide wheel on it, but I guess it just depends on how fat of a tire you really want.
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Postby KLRS10 » Tue May 29, 2007 12:44 pm

6" backspace 8" wheels still stick out without narrowing the diff. 6"backspacing with a 7" wheel would fit perfectly. i'm not into the hole "redneck" look. i prefer my wheels to fit inside the wheel wells, not stick out an inch or two on each side.

the crown vic wheels are likely 7" wide wheels, i've never seen any with 8"
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Postby Svtzx555 » Tue May 29, 2007 1:14 pm

You would never know that I had an 8.8 under the truck with crown vic wheels. I'll post pics tonight.
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Postby thenephilm » Tue May 29, 2007 2:38 pm

My understanding of the explorer 8.8 is that it was 3in wider overall than a stock s10 axle...i narrowed mine 8in total figuring 1.5" per side, I'm getting 18x10 with 4" BS so i took another 1.5" off per side(cause u would need 5.5 BS normally) and i took another another 1" off each side for bedsides (my truck is really low)...that makes 4" per side and 8" total...was i wrong in my figuring?
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Postby Rickracer » Tue May 29, 2007 4:03 pm

Best bet there is to order the wheels, mount the tires, mock them up under the truck, then you can measure your total overall length. That way you can avoid any other pitfalls that might creep up on you in the process. :wink: 8)
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Postby badmatt » Tue May 29, 2007 5:26 pm

Rickracer wrote:Best bet there is to order the wheels, mount the tires, mock them up under the truck, then you can measure your total overall length. That way you can avoid any other pitfalls that might creep up on you in the process. :wink: 8)


technicly this is the only way to do it elimnates guess works talk to any chassis builder they'll tell yuo the exact same thing.
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Postby KLRS10 » Wed May 30, 2007 12:31 pm

the explorer diff is more like 5" wide than the stock s-10 diff in stock trim, i narrowed it 3" and it's still wider.

i've seen 15x7" wheels with 5.5" backspacing on an s-10 with an explorer diff, and they stick out. i guarantee your wheels are 7" wide (if they measure 8" outside lip to putside lip then they are 7" wide wheels) 7" wheels with 6" backspacing would fit perfectly. after narrowing i need a 8" wheel with 5.5" backspacing to fit correctly
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Postby thenephilm » Wed May 30, 2007 3:03 pm

so if i narrowed mine 8in total...what size wheel should i then get? I want an 18...how wide and what bs?
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Postby KLRS10 » Wed May 30, 2007 9:19 pm

why are you wanting to narrow the diff 8"? if your going to that much trouble find a 9" to use instead. and like rick said, mock the tires up in place where you want them to fit, then measure the distance between the moutning flanges to decide on the width of the diff.


if you narrow the 8.8, 8" it would be too narrow for use in an s-10 without doing a backhalf kit
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Postby thenephilm » Thu May 31, 2007 11:56 am

i already made my own backhalf lol...narrowed it 13" on each side...and i already narrowed the rear...i want an 18x10 with a 4" bs...which is why i narrowed it 8" because the other sticky said that the explorer 8.8 was 3" wider overall than a stock s10 axle...
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Postby KLRS10 » Thu May 31, 2007 12:18 pm

it's more than 3" wider. it's 3" wider on one side than the other side of the diff. but it's almost 5" wider than the stock s-10 diff. i measured it with a tram bar. WAAAAAY more accurate than theying to measure with a tape measure


also. a 18x10 will fit in the stock wheel well. even with a healthy size tire on it
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Postby Rickracer » Thu May 31, 2007 12:44 pm

thenephilm wrote:I already made my own backhalf lol...narrowed it 13" on each side...and I already narrowed the rear...I want an 18x10 with a 4" bs...which is why I narrowed it 8" because the other sticky said that the explorer 8.8 was 3" wider overall than a stock s10 axle...


Rut - roh!!! :shock: :? :(
You narrowed the frame 13" on each side? A total of 26"???? The frame is only like 36" total (stock) already.
If you want 18 x 10 with 4" BS, go ahead and order them, mount your tires, THEN measure what you need for total rear axle width. I sure hope some of the stuff you posted isn't accurate......... yikes, what a mess....... :cry:
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Postby thenephilm » Thu May 31, 2007 2:45 pm

lol...ive got 16in inside to inside on my frame...i narrowed it that much on purpose not only for the wheels and tires but for my custom suspension that I'm making...you have to remember(if you saw the pic i posted of my truck) that my truck is a lot more than just for speed...theres a method to my madness lol...the only thing that may have thrown me off a bit is the sticky about the length of the 8.8 compared to that of that s10 axle...everything else is ok lol....wheel width was just a preference and can change cause i havent ordered those yet...i was just trying to get an accurate measurement of an explorer 8.8 to that of a stock s10 axle so that when i do order the wheels, i order the right ones :giggityquag: ...so if it 5in wider...then my axle would be exactly right(and yes i know that my driveline isnt centered)...perhaps ill just get an 18x9 or 18x9.5 with a 4bs to be on the safe side....i just wanted a large lip on the back wheel lol..
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